Let%26#039;s say you took one breed of purebred, recognized breed and started breeding it for a totally different purpose than what it was bred for (some different purpose, not like herding or hunting or stuff like that, but a new purpose). The breed had everything you wanted to perform that job, but it required 1 or 2 physical traits to be changed in order for the dog to do that job. In that case, would it be okay to breed away from standard?
Also, if it was okay, would it be considered a new breed and could a new standard be created for it after a while?|||Form follows function. All you need to do is alter the function (no need to actually change it), and in time the form will follow. Just compare the field trial Labrador of 50-60 years ago with the field trial Labrador of today, and you will see what I mean. As the game has progressed over the years the dogs form has complied.
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Only the blind can%26#039;t see the difference!|||so you are saying you want to change the purpose of the.. lets say lab(hunting breed) to..say a herding breed and change the standard for body style and temperament? why?
When there are already breeds out there to cover about every job needed, I see no reason to change any breed standard to create a %26quot;new%26quot; breed..or alter any standards for a different purpose.|||While I see where you%26#039;re coming from, and agree that IN THEORY there could be cause to do this, I%26#039;m struggling to think of a purpose that there is not already at least one breed that is perfect for. This has all already been done, as far as I can see. And so there%26#039;s no need to do it further.
edit - A related question, which I feel there would be more cause for, is whether dogs should be bred more towards ORIGINAL breed standards as some breeds are no longer suitable for their original purpose. In this case, I think breeding working dogs rather than show ring dogs can often be a good thing.|||First of all -- NO IT WOULDN%26#039;T BE CONSIDERED A NEW BREED, and no, a breed standard wouldn%26#039;t be created for it, well not for a long long long time. It would take many generations to breed true. First of all what do you do with the second mating.... use two of your new crosses (not relatives ) or use the original different breeds again. And just because you want 1 or 2 physical traits to be changed in order to create the dog you want, the chances of those particular traits being changed are very very small, and would only apply to the first dogs born. Nobody could guarantee any others. Only when you are using the %26quot;new%26quot; dogs as sire and dam and the offspring are not looking like random mutts would you even begin to think of them as a possible FUTURE breed.
Surely you realise that with all this stupid designer %26quot;breed%26quot; business going on, where people think that something like a cockapoo is a breed, then only those that are very naive think that is true.|||That%26#039;s how most of the current recognized breeds got going... but you%26#039;re talking sever dedication and a long time to consistently achieve the traits you%26#039;re looking for... leave it to the pro%26#039;s. Read up on some history, the Pomeranian%26#039;s were breed to Queen Victoria%26#039;s specifications... There%26#039;s more than enough mutts in the world for anyone that just wants a dog, why add to the over crowding?|||I could see like breeding say Border Collies for performance events such as agility opposed to herding.
However, if you were speaking as say breeding labs for herding and that required the labs to have pric ears opposed to the normal flop....I don%26#039;t see why that would be necessary.
With the 1 or 2 physical traits being needed, well that would likely require another breed. Which essentially by that point you%26#039;d be creating a mutt (and if stuck to enough eventually a new breed altogether).|||There are over 150 breeds of dogs, in the world. And those are just registered with the AKC! About everything is covered. Dogs Breed Standard, was not something that takes 5-10, or even 30-40 years to accomplish, it will take hundreds of years of breeding, to accomplish something like it is today.
Take the Cocker Spaniel, my favorite breed. It was brought here in the 1880s. Spaniels divided into Water %26amp; Land Spaniels, with further divisions based on size, in Land Spaniels. One of those, the %26quot;Cocker%26quot;. What I%26#039;m trying to say is, Cockers from years ago, do not look the same as they do now. They evolve, and I really don%26#039;t see your point in making a whole new breed. It can%26#039;t be AKC registered, if its a mix breed, I don%26#039;t think its ever OK to breed away from the standard.
BUT, in theory, if you got enough people to jump on your bandwagon of creating a new breed, then sure, after a LONG TIME a whole new breed would evolve, but its not easy, and you can%26#039;t do it alone, what are you trying to breed for? If you are going to breed, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, Labradors, you take them away from their breed standard, which states they are Water dogs, transform them into Dogs that work in the -15 degree weather up in the Mountains?
I really don%26#039;t see the point, you already have a breed for that, every dog is bred for a purpose, and if you want your dog to have that purpose, get that dog, like a St.Bernard for that Mountain Example.
Thats just my advice, might not make a whole lot of sense, but I think you shouldn%26#039;t mess with the standard,|||There%26#039;s a dog for every purpose, or atleast a dog that can do the purpose you want without breeding away from the standard. Imo, it doesn%26#039;t seem any different to backyard breeding.|||The S.Koreans are cloning exceptional working dogs. They are not mixing breeds, but these are certainly no show stoppers. However, they duplicate them for their abilities.
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It is a very long process to get a new breed recognized..There are so many requirements that must be met, that it takes more than a lifetime. Also, a %26#039;new breed%26#039; can%26#039;t be recognized if it is just a combination of two existing recognized breeds.|||NO!! Because when all larger registries worldwide are considered, there are roughly 400+ recognized dog breeds. If you can%26#039;t find one breed to fit your purpose, then you haven%26#039;t looked hard enough, and you probably don%26#039;t have the intelligence to correctly selectively breed the characteristics you desire for your purpose anyways.|||That would be okay. But it wouldn%26#039;t be considered a new breed it would be considered a hybrid, because the common ancetors were, let%26#039;s a Jack Russell, they were breed from that terrier and wouldn%26#039;t be its %26#039;own%26#039; breed, only a hybird.
